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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: February 8th, 2009, 19:55:01 Quote Report to Moderator
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I have not has a chance to sit in a Mini Marcos, but when you look at the design, strength and size, it would make an ideal post historic rally car. Now, my last car was a Clan and I found it very tight for space and claustrophobic to drive. Can anyone say how much space there is in the MM. I am 6 foot tall exactly.
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Allan Brown
Posted on: February 8th, 2009, 20:40:53 Quote Report to Moderator
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I am 6' 4" and Sprint and Hillclimb my MM. It is best if your height is in your legs and not your body. My crash helmet is very close to the roof that is why there is a bulge in the roof of my car.
Where are you?
I am sure there will be a Mini Marcos near by that you could sit in and try.
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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: February 8th, 2009, 21:01:54 Quote Report to Moderator
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Thanks for the quick reply.I am in NE Scotland (Tayside), have not seen any MMs about up here for many years. I think the bulge in the roof would be against historic rules as the profile should be standard.
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Grant Wilson
Posted on: February 8th, 2009, 21:04:11 Quote Report to Moderator
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I am having height issues also....I am a relatively short 5'10'' but am the short legged long back variety.

Having tried a good few seats (without runners) my head hits the car roof .

I reckon the rake of the seat is the answer and i will end up with a seat that lies pretty flat.....simple in theory but my roll cage prevents the seat being 'raked' back........so I am open to suggestions.!!!

Anyway the query was about headroom, perhaps other forum users can state what seats they have used as this is definately the main factor.

Grant
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Grant Wilson
Posted on: February 8th, 2009, 21:06:24 Quote Report to Moderator
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Pete,
I am in Dumfries. If you are down this way you are welcome to try mine

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Syd Crawford
Posted on: February 9th, 2009, 03:07:32 Quote Report to Moderator
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I am 5'11" and my MK1 Jem probably has less headroom than a Marcos. I spent a fair bit of time making up brackets (fixed) and playing with seat angle and position to make it doable. I have a Cobra Imola 'S' seat that is mounted quite far back (I have long legs) and the back sits right on the floor and the front is about 100mm off the floor. Because the seat is quite far back I needed to bring the steering wheel further back to reach and give me room to Heel/Toe. I replaced the original column with a Mitsubishi Lancer double uni/colapsible type and a D1 spec quick release hub (~extra 50mm) and dished Maxrob wheel. The driving position is now excellent although I have to take the seat cushion out to fit in with a helmet .

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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: February 9th, 2009, 07:03:01 Quote Report to Moderator
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It all sounds promising. I have my seats from the Clan still and they are Motordrive 7 type, virtually no padding and can be virtually sitting at floor level.Thanks for the feedback so far
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John Dickens
Posted on: February 9th, 2009, 08:53:30 Quote Report to Moderator
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I'm 5' 10" with a long body and short legs (and a long waist). I raced my Mk III Mini Marcos in the early days of the 750 MC kit Car Challeng and found it to be fine BUT I was fortunate enough to have a pair of the original Mini Marcos seats. They were very thin and mounted on runners which were only about 1/2" deep in total. You may be OK if you choose a suitable seat and bolt it direct to the floor.

What you will never be able to do is to get your head 2" below the level of the roll bar or cage. How fussy are the scrutineers in classic rallying?
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Allan Brown
Posted on: February 9th, 2009, 15:23:05 Quote Report to Moderator
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I use sparco sprint seats which has very thin padding under the seat. The only problem with that is when it rains the seat soakes up the water.
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I know the problem. On a treasure hunt I took the Jem through a ford that was a bit deeper than I expected and water came up through the floor like the fountains at Versailles. I was walking round with a wet behind for the rest of the event
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Alex Gibson
Posted on: February 9th, 2009, 16:11:27 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hi Pete, Which part of tayside? Iam in Tummel Bridge just out side Pitlochry!  

Can the G/F shell type bucket seat be used for racing if the car also a road car? I dont think you will get a bucket seat any lower than them if its bolted to the floor!

Alex

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Tom Springer
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I'm 6' 3" with short legs (a 33 inch inseam) and although it is a squeeze, I wear my car comfortably.  Head clearance is very limited, but not uncomfortable.  The seat is a cut and shut version of the early Marcos seat.  It is mounted on the floor with an inch spacer between the rails and the floor at the front.  My biggest obstacle is the seat isn't wide enough.  I may pop it out and attempt to widen the side rails.  The angle of the column is perfect and I recently swapped the 13 inch steering wheel for a 15 inch one.  I haven't driven it yet but it feels more comfortable.
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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: February 9th, 2009, 19:18:17 Quote Report to Moderator
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I think the answer is to try one out and see.
Alex, I have sent you a PM. Much more chance of being in the area than Dumfries, but thanks for the reply Grant! I will be out marshalling at Kenmore on the Saltire.
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Alex Gibson
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Pete, What date is the Saltire?
You have a PM

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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: February 9th, 2009, 19:47:24 Quote Report to Moderator
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The Saltire is 1st March, based at Kenmore. If anyone wants to see some Historic rallying, this is a great event. Details at http://www.saltireclassicrally.co.uk/
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Bob Polak
Posted on: February 16th, 2009, 00:56:45 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hello drive a Mark III, in canada and USA vintage road racing, believe you are not smart to bolt seat to a fiberglassfloor, emagin landing on the wheels after a jump or wors on the roof.

Would the seat stay bolted or would the fiberglass give way, I hope not.

I do fit in my car 5.8 200lps, but have to put helmet on  in the car, my seat is bolted to a steel frame, which goes to passengerside thrue the exsaust tunnel. This makes the exshaust the lowest point of the car, so very vulnerable to get hit and or bend.

Look its you life, but would not bolt the seat to fiberglass even with plates. just my opinion, yes safety is very inportant,I think.

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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: February 16th, 2009, 06:59:36 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hi Bob,
I realise what you mean. The same with the Clan, uses the sides of the car where the strength is.
Thanks,
Pete.
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Rodger Howard
Posted on: February 22nd, 2009, 08:08:22 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hi
I use a racetech rt saker seat which is 650mm high and curved at the base unlike standard seats which are 850mm + and squared off at the base. Makes driving feel like a formula ford but you can get a helmet on and have space to the cage.
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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: March 16th, 2009, 15:15:30 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hi All,
I found a Mk 4 in Fife to try. Sadly, I think that the Mini Marcos is too tight and the driving position is too much of a compromise. Thanks to all who offered advice.
Pete.
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Grant Wilson
Posted on: July 20th, 2009, 13:22:27 Quote Report to Moderator
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HI Again,

desperately trying to get my car finished.

still have seats issues.

think I am going for cobra monaco seats with 4 point harnesses.

Has anyone fitted them....and should i use side mounts or the sliders ?

and finally....how bad will it be getting in/out......don't want to look like a real pratt hauling 16 stone on to the pavement.

regards

grant


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Peter Bremner
Posted on: July 20th, 2009, 16:19:06 Quote Report to Moderator
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I'd go for a five or six point harness, the crutch strap stops you submarine-ing into a crumpled heap under the steering wheel, so then you'd need a seat with a hole for the crutch strap. If you settle for a four point, get the sort with four individual straps that plug into a central boss. The cheaper versions with just two parts to the catch are like trying to put on a rucksack, nigh on impossible in MM.
As for an elegant arrival, just remember to wear knickers under your mini skirt...
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Grant Wilson
Posted on: July 20th, 2009, 16:38:52 Quote Report to Moderator
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Thanks for the advice peter,

the knickers under ma kilt could be a problem

regards

grant
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Allan Brown
Posted on: July 20th, 2009, 19:47:50 Quote Report to Moderator
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I think it depends on what you are using the car for.
I used to have the cheap style harnesses in my old MM and found them a lot quicker and easier to use for everyday use. You also wont want a crutch strap for everyday use.
I just thought a crutch strap and true scotish kilt might not be a good idea.  

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Grant Wilson
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Hi allen,

car will be every day use and hopefully the occassional track day.

I had thought about the 'willans harnesses' think they look smart.

need to pick a seat first though to ensure i get the correct length of harness.

and as for the kilt, no knickers and a crotch strap....i have tears in my eyes already

thanks
Grant
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Rodger Howard
Posted on: July 21st, 2009, 08:37:10 Quote Report to Moderator
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nice to have smart looking belts but where are you going to secure them to?
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Grant Wilson
Posted on: July 21st, 2009, 08:40:39 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hi rodger, plan to secure them to either lugs welded onto the roll cage or bolted through the roll cage

grant
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Phil Lockett
Posted on: July 21st, 2009, 08:47:07 Quote Report to Moderator
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@ Pete Ritchie

How about a Cox or Heerey GTM? (If you can find one) Once you're in the cockpit there's comparatively loads of room.

1983 GTM Coupe. Powered by Toyota 4A-GE.
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Grant Wilson
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Hi phil,

i will have a look.
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