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patrickstrogen
Posted on: February 12th, 2009, 00:31:28 Quote Report to Moderator
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still rebuilding my 67 mini marcos, and i'm stumped on one issue. The car was never fitted with top anchor points. It was a rally car so possibly had harnesses at one time. I don't want to fit harnesses. By law am i obliged to fit seatbelts to it even though it has never had any since built. It is an irish built car.
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Steve Rogers
Posted on: February 12th, 2009, 11:37:34 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hi,I have fitted Harnesses in my car which I have just completed.I found that discussing any points of Law, or what to fit and where,was best discussed with my local MOT tester.Not only did he give me the correct information,he new what to expect when he MOT'd the vehicle.
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Pete Ritchie
Posted on: February 12th, 2009, 19:59:22 Quote Report to Moderator
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Why even think about it? I have 20 years service with the Ambulance service and have seen many people die due to not wearing seat belts. They are essential no matter the year of the car.
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Craig Smith
Posted on: February 12th, 2009, 20:53:14 Quote Report to Moderator
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I am making a roll hoop that I will carry the anchor points for my seat belts.

I wouldn't even consider not fitting any.
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Neil KilBane
Posted on: February 13th, 2009, 00:02:52 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hi Patrick,

Here is a pic of the upper belt anchorage point on a MkVI shell, This might not be possible with your car as it is a MKIII and has a much narrower B pillar.



Here are the lower anchor points,



Your best option, seeing as you wish to avoid harnesses, would be to fit lap belts, I only have a few pics of lap belt fittings, but you will probably get the idea.







Whatever type you go for, make sure that you use spreader plates on the outside of the shell to give extra security, these can be glassed over if needs be.

Hope this helps, and good luck with the rest of the build,

Neil

 
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Tertius van Zyl
Posted on: February 13th, 2009, 05:46:45 Quote Report to Moderator
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The only bit of bodywork that I could think of with a sizeable chunk of metal bonded into it for the shoulder strap mounting, was the top of the rear shock mounting. I have an inertial reel on the drivers side and a straight mounted belt one on the other seat - must admit the it is more comfortable without the inertial that tends to keeps the belt pressure on the shoulder - but without the inertial reel the driver can't reach the switches or cubbyhole!
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Neil KilBane
Posted on: February 13th, 2009, 08:31:59 Quote Report to Moderator
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I think Richard has it the same way as yours Tertius, in his Mini Marcos.

 
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Craig Smith
Posted on: February 13th, 2009, 09:09:53 Quote Report to Moderator
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Tertius, that is exactly the same setup that my car arrived with.

Neil,  I like your idea, looks really neat.
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Phil Lockett
Posted on: February 13th, 2009, 12:11:30 Quote Report to Moderator
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Lap belts IMO are useless, you'll still use your face as a brake against the steering wheel and screen.

The force on the belts in a heavy crash would likely tear out that mount on the b pillar no problem, or even tear that section of bodywork out.

To give comfort and protection, i'd say a mount off a decent roll hoop is the only way to go.

Phil (Used to test SRS systems)

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Neil KilBane
Posted on: February 13th, 2009, 13:22:25 Quote Report to Moderator
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Why don'y you want to fit harnesses Patrick ?

 
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Quoted from Neil KilBane, posted February 13th, 2009, 08:31:59 at here
I think Richard has it the same way as yours Tertius, in his Mini Marcos.



Yes, if you look at the Mk.IV build sheet you'll see that's the recommended position. They're not inertial reel belts of course, but I believe you can fit TR7 type inertial belts. Actually I don't use the bit of the wing where the steel insert is. The kit came with steel plates that are fitted under the rear wings and on the outsides of the sills to spread the load. I don't think there's any advantage in having shoulder mounts except that you don't have to fish for the belts down the outside of the seats.
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patrickstrogen
Posted on: February 15th, 2009, 02:50:34 Quote Report to Moderator
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looks like its gonna have to be harnesses. i'll have to get my welder out. thanks for all your imput. i don,t suppose anyone has a drivers outside door handle.  Tried everywhere and im using a pair of vice grips at the moment
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Neil KilBane
Posted on: February 15th, 2009, 11:29:18 Quote Report to Moderator
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What style are you using Patrick, I have a few different ones. Do your doors have the littler recess where the plinth of the handle meets the door ?

For anchoring my harnesses, I put in a bar across the top of the rear subframe mounts, Its raised up slightly and I have eye bolts attached to it. I'll get a pic up later on this evening for you.

Neil.

 
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patrickstrogen
Posted on: February 15th, 2009, 18:22:54 Quote Report to Moderator
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ill take a pic of the door and ill email it to u. thanks for the info on the harness.  i was at an Auto jumble over here in the west of ireland today. Everything but mini stuff. My marcos never had rear lights fitted so i can put whatever i want on, was looking at Fiat 850 lights.
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Neil KilBane
Posted on: February 27th, 2009, 13:12:57 Quote Report to Moderator
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Sorry for the late reply Patrick, but here is what I am doing for my belts,



The cross bar is raised slightly, this is to allow access to the tank mount bolts and also to give a little extra room for the spare wheel, (12"),



The bar is fixed using the original rear subframe mount bolts.





 
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