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Craig Smith
Posted on: November 12th, 2008, 20:04:01 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hello everyone,

Some of you that have been in the club along time might remember me! I used to have a MKIII (bodyshell 7464, AXG295K) back in the early 90's, but circumstance meant that I couldn't keep it and it was sold to to a member in the Netherlands.

Fast forward a few years and I have recently agreed to buy a MKIV from a club member near Chorley. I only know that it is a W reg, registered as a Marcos and in need of full restoration. I've not even seen the car, but for the price I was offered it I just couldn't say no


So once I get it back here to Shrewsbury the fun and games will begin. I haven't touched a Mini or a derivative since I sold my MKIII, so am well out of touch with price / availability of parts, and I reckon I have forgotten alot more than I remember about what parts are interchangable between Mini / Metro as well as all the other rusty things that the BL group produced.

Initially I will have to work on it in my drive / garden as my garage isn't big enough for it. So if any members know of a garage, or a space that I can rent within an hour of Shrewsbury PLEASE PLEASE let me know!

No doubt I'll be asking a thousand questions that have all been asked before, so please bear with me.

All that said, it feels great to be back

All the best

Craig

ps Thanks to Roger for putting me in touch with the seller

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Hi Craig,

Welcome and good u have a marcos again . Maybe I know who has your old marcos. What colour was it?

If you have questions your free to post them!

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Craig Smith
Posted on: November 16th, 2008, 13:34:29 Quote Report to Moderator
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Hello Joost,

Here is my old car:

http://www.minimarcos.org.uk/memcars/7464.html

Although it was (mainly) red when I sold it!

All the best

Craig
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well done craig, i hope that the shell is in a fixable state! get a nice tub of P40 at the ready
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Craig Smith
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Hehe yes, I've got plenty of spare tubs of filler..

I've spent the best part of the last 7 years doing this:

http://www.preserved-diesels.co.uk/engines/56097_index.htm

http://www.preserved-diesels.co.uk/engines/56097_ohaul_index.htm

So doing the bodywork on a Marcos doesn't really phase me any more  
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Can't really work on that in the kitchen, and I suppose using the dishwasher and then the oven is out of the question...
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Craig Smith
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Hello All,

Just a quick update, I collected the car today. It needs a lot of work, but no more than I was expecting, and has a few nice bits on it, such as a remote servo.

I think it is chassis DH 8399, but it is difficult to tell as the 3 seems to have been overstamped at some point (I should have checked the V5 before I posted it!). The reg is RWR839W.

Does anybody know anything of the history of this car, it was first registered on 06/11/1980.

I'll post some photographs up asap.

Regards

Craig

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I've got it down as 8399. I know of two previous owners both up in Lancashire.
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Quoted from Craig Smith, posted November 17th, 2008, 09:52:39 at here
Hehe yes, I've got plenty of spare tubs of filler..

I've spent the best part of the last 7 years doing this:

http://www.preserved-diesels.co.uk/engines/56097_index.htm

http://www.preserved-diesels.co.uk/engines/56097_ohaul_index.htm

So doing the bodywork on a Marcos doesn't really phase me any more



Not one of those Romanian jobbies! I didn't know anyone was preserving one.
What's the stock behind it in IC livery? It looks like one of the old Gatwick Express sets.

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Thank you Richard, 8399 it is then!

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Not one of those Romanian jobbies! I didn't know anyone was preserving one.
What's the stock behind it in IC livery? It looks like one of the old Gatwick Express sets



9/10 for guessing the loco, but this one is Doncaster built. 56001 - 030 were built in Romania by Electroputere, 56031 - 115 built at BREL Doncaster and 56116 - 135 being built at BREL Crewe.

Our loco is one of 3 that are preserved, the others being 56098 and 56040.

There were a couple of others but they have been sold on for further use back on the main line.

10/10 for the coaches, it is indeed a GatEx rake that was sidelined with the arrival of new units a few years back..

For anyone interested the loco is powered by a Ruston 16RK3CT. Thats a V16 comprising 2x Intercoolers and 2x Napier turbos. 10" bore, 12" stroke. It produces 3250 HP @ 900rpm (and it does...we've loadbanked it!) and it is coupled to a 2000KVA Altenator.  Oh and the power unit / altenator weigh in at nearly 40 tonnes  


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Ruston RK3 eh.... I worked on them in the factory....still do! Rustons became part of the MAN group and I used to go around the world working on them/mirrless/paxman and various other engines including the Danish B&W 2 strokes which produce 23,000 HP in 6 cylinder in line form!!. Currently working in northern queensland Australia on MAN 32/40 engines - in line 9 cylinders. makes working on tiny mini/a-series seem like childs play!
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I think I know the car you've bought aswell........if it was at the top of Ewell close in chorley.......my uncle lives at the bottom of the road with his 1800 Marcos!
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Craig Smith
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Hi Phil,

It was indeed collected from Ewell Close Chorley, I didn't see the 1800 Marcos though  



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hi craig,
          the 1800 is always garaged.......the money they are going for - if you can find one!- you don't want to lose one!. I think your car sat for a while as it was covered with a tarp for a couple of years and it was only on a windy day when it blew off that Uncle Al saw it was a mini marcos and told me about it. Uncle Al is the one who got me bitten by the marcos bug as I took my first ride in the 1800 at aged 7.....I'm now approaching 33!!. he even helped convince my father that a MM would be a good first car for a 17 year old....I still own the same car today BNE 277B (prev reg 648 MOL)
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Hey Craig!

You got one then?

Bet you're amazed at how stiff the mk4 body is compared to the mk3?

Pity about the GTM - but it quickly went on to a new home.

I recognise the RWR on your no. plate - maybe an old pic i've got somewhere....

I'm still in the middle of 4age-ing the GTM - and learning Megasquirt:?

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Yes mate I was very surprised just how different the MkIV is compared to the MkIII in many areas.

Still, if it's stiffer it should go around corners better  

You have Yahoo email btw.
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I'm surprised at that. My Mk.IV is definitely more flexible than the Jem (which is more like the Mk.III). It tends to wind itself up first and then go round the corner whereas the Jem does what it's told straight away.
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Congratz Craig!

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The decideldly average British summer has meant that progress on the bodywork has been slower than I would have liked, so yesterday I moved the Marcos to a garage in Stoke.

I've only got the garage for 8 weeks or so, but it should enable me to make some headway, and not have to worry about the weather!



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That looks like a dream garage. Good to see pictures of the progress, good luck with the work!
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Craig,

I noticed that your old mk3 is for sale.

http://www.qmall.nl/brownslane/aangeboden/aangeboden.asp
http://www.minisevenclub.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=41390

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Hmmm, no price.  I think I'll stick to the one I've started now  
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Progress!!







Now all I have to do is train Jonathon to run at 70mph whilst holding the new front on!

Many thanks to Alan Brown for supplying me with the front end.
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Way have you grinded the front out? I had the same cracks on my yellow car and you can easily fiberglass it back in place from the inside. Then grind the cracks on the outside en fiberglass that as well. So you can save you frontend for later on!
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Glad I could help.
It's looking good.
So it will be ready for the Marcos 50th then
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Hi Joost,

Unfortunately there was very little fibre glass left, who ever had repaired it previously just used a bucket full of body filler to fill a big hole. Here is a lump of it after removal..




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So it will be ready for the Marcos 50th then



Unfortunately not    

When's the next big occasion??
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Whoa! Never seen a lump of bog that thick before!
Good to see the progress  
Having a nice garage to work in makes a big difference. Love my garage .
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Hey Craig,

Where you have rubbed it diwn on the roof and the rear end it seems to be standard D&H "Instant Fade" Orange gelcoat.

The front seems to be baby blue gelcoat - has it had another front end on it in the past do you think?

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I see why you grinded it out  . yeas that guy had some cash in an bodyfiller-factory xD. Keep up the good work!!

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Hey Craig,

Where you have rubbed it diwn on the roof and the rear end it seems to be standard D&H "Instant Fade" Orange gelcoat.

The front seems to be baby blue gelcoat - has it had another front end on it in the past do you think?




No mate, thats yet more filler that had been applied over the damage.

Here it is after sanding it off, and grinding out the cracks..



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Well it's been a while since I last posted an update.

Work commitments have meant that I haven't made as much progress as i would have liked, but progress is being made none the less....

Hmmm,

Whats going on here then??











Nissan 1.3 16v is the future !!!
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Looking good, is it going to fit without any bonnet and headlight mods do you know? is that a Janspeed manifold? it looks pretty neat

Interesting how they are positioned at an angle in their original home

Here's mine today, just about ready to pull out


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I'm hoping to get away withouth any headlight mods, though it won't affect me if it does

Not sure yet about the bonnet, but it is looking good at present, steering rack is another concern. I believe the 'box off an early Micra is smaller..

Glad to see somebody else having similar plans Stuart, drop me a PM sometime and we can trade experiences! The manifold is a Janspeed copy, but I'm not going to use it won't fit with what I have already done (air-dam etc) ..  Let me know if you are interested in buying it!

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I'm doing this conversion to a Clubby estate at the moment,

Started back in November, here is the donkey motor in the subframe jig



My donor engine comes from a rat Micra.



It's a CG13DE engine thats running on motorbike carbs.



Engine out, this is my welder and fellow IMOC member Joe Whyte who is also doing a Micra conversion for his Clubman Retro Raceer.



This is the subframe at the moment after a few revisions, still a few niggles to sort.



And this is the Mini it's all going into.



The plan is to have the estate ready for the IMM in Switzerland in June.

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A bit more progress:







Really pleased with the front considering what it started out like.

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love seeing a shell in primer!! whats the plans for paint? how have you got on with the engine conversion?

whats the advantage of the micra engine? never really considered it.
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The Micra engine is 100bhp in standard form, it's all alloy so its heaps lighter than the A series, it can be fuel injected or carbed, you don't have to modify the bodywork in a Mini to fit it, and you get a free 5th gear in the gearbox.

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All that Neil says really, plus twin overhead cams, 16 valves and hopefully a bit of leak free releiability!

As for paint - will be going Modena yellow at some point, but not for a while yet.

Recent progrees~

Exhaust Manifold:


Inlet Manifold:
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Todays efforts:





Well at least it sort of fits... The diff on the 1.3 gearbox protrudes quite along way, and was fouling the steering rack. I have relieved the box by removing the metal around the speedo drive, but I think I may still have to relieve the rack to ensure sufficient clearance. Failing that I will have to settle for an early 1.0 gearbox which is alot smaller, but with 10" wheels I think it will top out very quickly.

On the upside the bonnet fits without the need to add a bulge, and there is a good 10mm clearance on the offside between the engine and the headlight pod so no visible bodywork modes required

Out of interest what would be the effect of lowering the steering rack by about 40mm??

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Craig, really impressed by the amount of clearance around the Micra engine. And the body shell is looking good as well.

However, a word of advice about moving the position of the steering rack. Don't.

The correct location of the rack is ultra-critical to get the steering geometry right and avoiding the worst effects of bump-steer. For more information about this read the books by Allan Staniforth, designer of the Terrapin, rear engined single seater originally using Mini components. He has chapter and verse on the subject.

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However, a word of advice about moving the position of the steering rack. Don't.

The correct location of the rack is ultra-critical to get the steering geometry right and avoiding the worst effects of bump-steer. For more information about this read the books by Allan Staniforth, designer of the Terrapin, rear engined single seater originally using Mini components. He has chapter and verse on the subject.

Best regards, Nigel



Thank you very much for your comments  Nigel, that is my suspicions well and truly confirmed.  

Craig

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Nice work Craig. Weirdly this thread seems hidden? I've got here via your profile, I can't seem to see it on the board.

Edit, well it's there now, most odd.

Edit again, Just realised the last posts were May 2012, silly me  

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Nissan conversions can take a back seat sometimes, my nissan engines Clubby Estate project has been at a standstill for 22 months now, the resurection of this thread might just be the kick start I need.

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Well I have to say that progress has not been exactly rapid, mainly due to the fact that I have been working away from home 5 days a week solid for the last 12 months; however over the last couple of weekends I have made a point of getting over to the unit and have made some good headway

Engine / gearbox back in (again) - and now clear all around:


Clutch Cable / Bulkhead:


Modified Pedal Box:


So for the first time since I took ownership, something on the car actually works!!

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I spent ages modifying the clutch pedal to take the cable, I wanted it to go straight out through the bulkhead rather than down. Then after all the work I decided that I'll probably go with a slave cylinder and hydraulic system.

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Neil, got to say that the pedal was by far the easiest part of the conversion yet.  I simply cut off the lug that ordinarily pushes, and turned it upside down and welded it onto the other side of the pedal arm (so that it pulls rather than pushes), with a notch cut out to take the cable (where the clevis pin normally goes).  Other than that it was just a case of adding an adjustable 'stop' so that the pedal didn't float and had a firm positon to return to against the spring and sits at the correct height

I did for a moment consider hydraulic, but it seemed far more work, and I can say that the clutch feels really light which is an added bonus
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What are you doing with the driveshafts?
Do the Micra shafts fit?
That is one reason why my Suzuki Swift conversion stopped due to having to get custom shafts made.
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The Micra splines are identical to the Mini's so it's just a matter of getting them shortened, I got mine cut and sleeved for 100.

One of the guys in the I.M.O.C. has a Swift conversion, he got his drive shafts shortened and tig welded at a local engineering place for 150

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I have heard that Neil, but I have never offered them up, and I always intended to go with  a "spliced" approach using Nissan inner and standard Mini outer CV's - just because - errm well I didn't think they would fit / work.  

The Nissan outers look huge compared to the Mini, can I really just shorten the drive shafts and thats it??

< Ramble>  Currently working in Dallas, so have absolutely no way of checking for myself for at least two weeks - Now if you want a 5.x v8 - this is the place to be..  In Tx bigger IS better, and my 'Compact' just doesn't cut it
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Here are the shafts that I had done.



The hole in the sleeve was slightly undersized and then the sleeve was heated and the two shafts were fitted to give the desired length before being welded. Welds were then cleaned up on a lathe and then the shafts were spun between centres to check for trueness and any imbalance.

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