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 Specialist Components fuel injection system (currently 1,804 views) |
| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: November 2nd, 2020, 20:23:29 |
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Neil - you shouldn't be showing me things like that! I'm going to have to google this now 
(And no - I hadn't seen this (I don't do facebook, twitter etc) |
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: November 14th, 2020, 18:18:58 |
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Well, I've started doing (more) homework on this, prompted by some information from Shaun who's been very helpful.
To use the megasquirt will require a trigger wheel fitting - not essential (the MPi system can be used) but advised. But reading about megasquirt on several forums has given me food for thought because of the Siamese port configuration.
This looks (early days in my learning remember) to ideally require two wideband lambda sensors to try and balance the mixture from inner and outer cylinders) and requires 'additional' code to work best.
I've read that Rover fitted the largest injectors they had for their range of cars to the MPi minis, to try and get enough fuel into the short open window of the 'paired' inlet valves. So now the engine is modified, would even higher flowing injectors be required and if so, available?
Lot of questions, but I'm quite enjoying the distraction of trying to learn about all this.
So it'll probably be after Christmas in all honesty before I progress this, but lets see how we get on - I'll let you know! |
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: January 3rd, 2021, 14:21:20 |
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Right - decision made.
After trying to get my head around Siamese port injection and all that entails, I'm going to plump for the Specialist Components system. I'm sure this won't come as a surprise to those that know my fear of electrics/electronics, and while it is still a 'cheat' (more of an electronically controlled carburettor than port injection) it does look to be much simpler to install.
In order to fit the megasquirt it is advisable to fit a trigger wheel - not in itself a huge job, but one that does need the engine mounts loosening/engine lifting to access.
Also required are as far as I can tell, replacement injectors. In fact, in order to get enough fuel into the correct cylinder in the short amount of time available, others have had to resort to modifying the Rover MPI inlet manifold to house two additional injectors. To run on a Siamese port engine the injectors need to be operated by the megasquirt in conjunction with additional code written specifically for a Siamese set up I believe - even with significant help this might be a little beyond me, if not for the physical install but the adjustment required afterward.
To operate correctly a second lambda sensor should also be used - one for the inner pair of cylinders, one to measure one of the outer cylinders - this would require a different exhaust manifold (or modification to the stainless item fitted which I can't do myself).
While there is still a noticeable difference in price, the megasquirt solution isn't quite as cheap as it first looked it might be when everything is considered.
And I'm taking the easy way out I think - while not as simple as 'plug-n-play', the SC solution is almost that easy (I hope - I've ordered it now!).
I do have a question over whether I can make the SC set up fit with the current bulkhead, with the air filter fitted. We'll have to offer it up and see. I've ordered a short stack (as is used with this electronic carb set up on turbo installations) in case I need to route a remote filter set up.
So there we go - that's what I've spent my limited Christmas free time doing. I hope you've all enjoyed the Christmas break, and hopefully we can all look towards a better New Year.
Oh - and if anyone is interested in or thinking of using megasquirt on a Siamese port engine (A-Series, B-Series) I can recommend reading through the many posts on the Turbominis forum. And if you were thinking of going the megasquirt route, Shaun O'Donnell was very helpful (and very patient as I tried to understand what he was telling me!).
Happy New Year to all. |
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| Bent Larsen |
| Posted on: January 7th, 2021, 09:32:48 |
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Hi Graham
Now, after months of trying, I managed to lock in.
It's probably my MM you've seen, I bought and mounted such a set from SC and it gave approx. 10hp.
But it was too sensitive / unstable - so I dismantled it again
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: January 16th, 2021, 19:34:38 |
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Hi Bent.
I'd be interested in hearing more of the issues you had with the SC system, plus any photos you may have of the set up.
Unfortunately I don't really have much choice but to pursue this option (fuel injection and programmable ecu) to get the car through the IVA, so any hints and tips you have would be appreciated.
I'm a bit busy with work at the minute so not so much progress but hopefully in a few weeks this will change.
First question I have though is how/where did you choose to mount the fuel pressure regulator? The instruction say not to mount this on the engine (makes sense) - I'm thinking of making a small bracket to mount to the bulkhead.
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| Bent Larsen |
| Posted on: January 28th, 2021, 14:42:44 |
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Hi Graham
I don't know if it is my mechanic who was stressed or did not get acquainted with that brand.
It worked fine when we started and used a file for a Cooper and he thought I should drive a long ride so we could fine tune it later.
Then I drove to Stoneleigh and it drove fine, after I got home it started teasing: the TPS sensor shorted and it started to "forget" the settings.
So in the end I disassembled it all and reassembled my old HS 6 - and it works |
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: February 17th, 2021, 18:29:21 |
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Bent,
Can I ask - did you have much clearance between the air filter and the bulkhead when you fitted this kit?
Offering the manifold up it's going to be very tight.
Thanks, |
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| Bent Larsen |
Posted on: February 18th, 2021, 09:17:58
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There has probably been a double carburetor before, so a big hole has been cut in the bulkhead, so I had plenty of room
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: February 20th, 2021, 13:04:30 |
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So the inlet manifold fits - it's tight but it fits:
There are a couple of issues ot be addressed.
1. The Specialist Components stainless exhaust manifold has a different thickness flange than the inlet manifold (this was the same situation with the MPi inlet manifold) so I'll have to make a set of shims for this.
2. It's very difficult to access the inner branch studs for fitting the manifold nut too. Also the MPi nuts (which have an in-built spreader washer doesn't seem to fit, so I'll have to find out the thread size and get some alternative nuts.
3. The throttle cable on the SC set up exits the throttle body vertically, whereas on the MPi set up it exits horizontally. This could be (will be) a problem with the bonnet in place.
Bent - did you see this throttle cable problem? How did you address this? |
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| jimnaylor |
| Posted on: February 20th, 2021, 19:38:40 |
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| Bent Larsen |
| Posted on: February 21st, 2021, 11:29:44 |
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| I used a throttle cable to an MC |
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: March 6th, 2021, 17:11:35 |
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Hi Bent, I'm not quite following your reply. Are you saying you just bent the throttle cable under the bonnet? What are you referring to with the MC?
Jim - I hadn't seen one of those brackets before. Good to know an alternative solution could be out there. I'm going to try and get things running first with the bonnet removed. I might look to see if I can change the angle of the SC cable bracket slightly, but if Bent has managed to get this set up running just by bending the throttle cable under the bonnet, I might be looking for a problem that isn't there. |
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| Bent Larsen |
Posted on: March 7th, 2021, 11:11:15
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Something like this:
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: April 2nd, 2021, 09:43:24 |
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Bent,
Sorry for the delayed reply, but I'll definitely need a throttle cable like this. I've started fitting the kit and the existing cable is mounted solidly vertically - no way I'd get the bonnet fitted.
So this type of cable will be required. I'll use what I've got to get the car running for now and once there will have a cable made up.
I assume these will have a PTFE liner to prevent the cable from sticking.
ETA - I'm also a little worried as the air filter is hard up against the bulkhead of the car. Not sure what I can do about that (other than remove the air filter and fit a sock on the trumpet. And I'm a little confused over what breather pipes connect where on the new system. I'll try and compare the original inlet manifold to the new one I guess. |
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| Graham Bichard |
| Posted on: May 19th, 2021, 15:02:46 |
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Quick update. I've got the injection unit fitted now, but can't get the car started as there's no spark coming out of the coil pack.
I've been in contact with Specialist Components who have directed me to Specialist Control Systems Ltd (who supply the ECU) who are very helpful.
From the software it can be seen that there is no crank signal being picked up. I 'think' the crank sensor is good (the car ran with the MEMS ECU fitted), but am looking to get my hands on another one tomorrow to try.
I do have an aftermarket (Minispares) lightened MPI flywheel fitted - it might be that the gap for the sensor is slightly larger using this flywheel but I'm hoping that another sensor might get it up and running. (Can't really be bothered with changing out the flywheel at this stage  ). I'll let you know how I get on.
Once it's up and running I'll get the throttle cable sorted, bonnet put back on and another IVA booked, but am not holding my breath at this point...
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